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why are tulpas not problematic?/genq

I can't speak for the term tulpa (at the moment I need to do more research onto its origins and such, I'm personally conflicted with it), but I can speak for tulpas, the created headmates. There are several reasons for this- First, when you create a tulpa, that practice in of itself is not problematic. Tulpas function more like imaginary friends, only unlike imaginary friends are generally treated as individuals. Thus, you have cases where not only people accidentally create tulpas, they accidentally figure out possession and switching all on their own. It doesn't make sense to say that tulpa systems are somehow mocking DID systems when tulpas can exist independent of that. Second, those who may think they have DID but actually don't can still have legitimate headmates. It's really common to hear stories about people thinking they might have DID or self-dxing, and it's debatable if you can "give yourself" DID. However, you can give yourself tulpas by creating them or even by pretending to have tulpas! At its core, tulpamancy is about convincing yourself you have people in your head, and if that involves confusing it for DID, it can still work. Third, it is possible to have a mixed system or a system that starts off endogenic but later develops traumatic plurality. I have seen cases where a system starts with creating tulpas, and then later figures out they have alters in addition to their tulpas. Their tulpas are not fake, in fact they function like alters given their mental health situation. Additionally, some systems can start out as tulpa systems and get worse over time. It's very rare, but I have seen a tulpa system with trauma grow more dysfunctional over time and struggle with in-system dynamics and gain new headmates that have trauma-related origins. It doesn't make sense to say that their tulpas "became real" later, or that their tulpas are somehow "more real" when non-traumatic systems can create tulpas doing the same thing

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=== The final reason is endogenic plurality has always existed alongside traumatic plurality. In fact, MPD, the old diagnosis for DID, was more broad and even likely would have included tulpamancers with life struggles and tulpa systems with trauma histories. There was someone else who did a really nice write up on it and I highly recommend giving it a read: https://lb-lee.dreamwidth.org/1120824.html Ultimately, it's unfair to say the practice of tulpamancy is problematic or offensive. It happens naturally, even if you wrongly assume you have DID you can still have tulpas, plural system origins can be murky and still end up with legitimate headmates, and it has always existed before the diagnosis of DID was ever created.

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=== Oh, and a point I forgot until just now. Say a tulpa system has trauma. Wouldn't it be more offensive to say they have OSDD/DID when they don't?

Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗

It's not. Endogenic systems aren't trying to claim they have DID if they genuinely don't have it.

We are an endogenic system with trauma and we do not have DID/OSDD

4:54 AM

Granted, we have some weird stuff that doesn't happen in endo systems due to our trauma. But traumamancy doesn't qualify for DID/OSDD (edited)

berockly (TTG)

Ranger typing up an essay and a half

Unironically that ended up as the output, huh

4:58 AM

=== I'm going to go to bed, please feel free to ping me in the morning

we are also an endogenic system and we have trauma and that effects us just like any one else.

6:37 AM

and yes i have some tulpas and can control somthings about my system it is not impossible.

I am a tulpa system that was formed accidentally directly caused due to trauma here to ruin everyone’s definition of what a tulpa system is.

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We probably fall under tulpamancy, but because of how trauma and stress play a bigger role in our system (and were one of the direct causes of its formation) we just call ourselves mixed origin.

first round of the definitions battle has ended, the winner: none

Does anyone have any advice for possession/switching?

ask tulpa to take your place, let things happen like your tulpa is doing them the same way you let them talk to you when you two learned to talk to each other

8:11 PM

it feels like you acting like the tulpa the same way it felt like you talking to yourself, but it gets better with time too

Moon

Does anyone have any advice for possession/switching?

It's important for me to know what experience you're looking for. What do you want to happen when you switch?

A long kiss goodnight

It's important for me to know what experience you're looking for. What do you want to happen when you switch?

I want grovyle to do hard labor in my stead

Are they willing to do that? Keep in mind that creating a tulpa for the purposes of having them do chores is considered unethical by some. It is a tedious route.

it also doesnt make the hard labor disappear from your conscious experience (edited)

That is true too. Unless you switch in such a way that your awareness is completely buried while your tulpa is fronting, you will still experience it. Even then, you will remember the experience.

it might be easier if they are excited to do it and enjoyed it but i wouldnt count on it too much

8:17 PM

switching is still nice though if you both have your favorite things to do and let each other have time to do those things

Echo 🍄

Are they willing to do that? Keep in mind that creating a tulpa for the purposes of having them do chores is considered unethical by some. It is a tedious route.

It was a joke lol, but he is interested in doing outdoors stuff with the body outside of work

The joke is that Grovyle likes being outside in the heat, and that's my job

Moon

I want grovyle to do hard labor in my stead

I was not quick to think that was a joke ^^' I should emphasize, what do you think should happen when you switch? This isn't a trick question, how you expect the process to work can significantly affect your outcome

I guess having the other take control of the body while I'm in some kind of observer mode

Is that generally what it's like?

Tbh i dont know what othr people experience

the "observer mode" feels like your own behavior and sense of identity fades into the background/away and the tulpa's behavior and sense of identity come forward (edited)

12:51 PM

it wont feel much different or different at all when it happens compared to what you feel now, some things just shift a bit (edited)

Yeah

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Thats roughly what i experience

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We have trouble holding switches like that

dont think too much because you can do it (tm)

Because it requires the tulpa to be awake the entire time and pretty much any time i get distracted from that they kinda go back to the back

idk what brainwashing leiko or whoever does it in dms lookingdownsmile

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12:53 PM

but its not that hard or complicated

12:54 PM

its easier to keep switched if you let them do something that needs concentration

Well

12:56 PM

Thats just how it is for us

12:56 PM

We can switch really easily over discord

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But not nearly as easy for real life tasks

im basically frontstuck if im in front of the computer lol

12:57 PM

we can switch but im back to mindless scrolling without even noticing it

I see

1:00 PM

They arent that interested in fronting

2 of mine are

1:01 PM

Grovyle wants to be outside more and Alli wants to do art

maybe leiko/kitkat can help you if you've been trying but cant do it

1:04 PM

i dont see it as much different than talking with the tulpas, you just let them "talk to themselves" like you do when you think about things by yourself

1:04 PM

and slowly you realize you've kind of "lost yourself" in the background

1:05 PM

emmi had her body language come out naturally when we talked and the rest just naturally came because of that

1:05 PM

when we realized how simple it was

I haven't been trying yet, I'm on a cruise and haven't really been able to find a good place to do that stuff

when you do try, just try to forget everything and dont have any expectations and let them try to do stuff and dont doubt and think too much

forget everything?

you could even say that you cant fake a switch

1:10 PM

i mean all the switching guides etc

1:12 PM

i never read any of those and i still did it, and i think anyone can do it

oh i've only read one

1:16 PM

I want to learn possession first anyways

i dont even know what the difference is and i dont think its a necessary "step" towards a switch

1:17 PM

or front or whatever

1:18 PM

if thats why you want to do it first

I have a progression of stuff in my mind

1:33 PM

which is in order of whatever sounds easiest first

How do I get over the anxiety and doubt that I'm faking all the interactions with my tulpa? :(

you cant fake something that comes out of nowhere

5:12 PM

if its positive for you and they keep talking to you, why would it matter that you're "faking" if it still feels like the real deal

Yeah

5:12 PM

Plus, thats just how it feels at first for some people,like its them speaking and not their tulpa

a lot of the world and our minds is fake, and we still keep pretending its real

What matteesrs most is attributing to tulpa

5:13 PM

If you believe its them, it is

stick to it and you learn to not care if its fake or not, and when you do that it feels much less fake

being afraid of faking tulpa is like being afraid when you realise you are breathing manually and that you will suffocate if you forget to breathe… and then you forget to breathe manually and you don’t control breathing anymore, breathing is just happening bus as long as you are afraid, it is you controlling the breath fully

how do you overcome external fear involving the tulpamancy process? i'm afraid of feeling unwanted emotions

unwanted?

Feeling unwanted emotions is just part of life

you get over things by doing the thing even if you dont want to and then the thing is over

Moon

which is in order of whatever sounds easiest first

Possession was honestly way harder for us than switching It required a lot of concentration

i feel emotions hinder my judgement

7:18 PM

does this make sense at all?

yes

7:19 PM

but its a part of life and its normal

Seconding aapeli's comment.

how do i get out of this weird mentality that apparently seems to be hindering me? im sorry for asking such difficult and subjective question

Just see it as a natural thing you're experiencing. Emotions show themselves and pass, it's normal to feel hesitant, but that doesn't mean it should control your life.

maybe you could look at it from a logical perspective and realize you cant escape it forever and you're better off getting used to them in the long run

7:23 PM

and its not a problem after you get used to it and realize what they are

im scared to experience the unexpected event of letting myself completely go, again

7:25 PM

and it was a healthy thing to have but i couldnt handle

do you see a psychiatrist or a therapist

yes

if you do maybe you could try to do it there, if its something super intense

im working on that

its hard to judge what youre talking about

7:28 PM

so i dont really want to tell you to do something i have no clue about

its okay, i can explain if you wish

maybe in general or some place else if its not tulpa related